How Dream's Success Has Become His Own Detriment

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    CordWit

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    How Dream's Success Has Become His Own Detriment
    --
    "Come on, we gotta keep the light burning… Come on and Dream baby Dream…"
    Dream is one of the most successful creators of the 2020s so far. Amassing nearly 20M subscribers and receiving more than 10M views on every single Minecraft Manhunt video to date. Dream has exploded into stardom and has become a modern celebrity - surpassing the title of "Internet Celebrity" - amongst the likes of James Charles and PewDiePie.
    While Dream's unfathomably large success sounds like a Utopian Dream, there are also many downsides to it that I intend to cover throughout this video.
    Not only has Dream been called out for the most petty reasons - such as making an edgy joke or having "Bad Music" - but he has also indulged himself in commonly disliked ideologies such as stan culture.
    From Cheating in a Minecraft Speedrun all the way to owning a low efficiency Merchandise Company - Dream has experienced it all.
    Today I intend to document Dream's fantastic rise to fame, and how that has unfortunately been warped into something akin to a Nightmare, as opposed to a Dream…
    Music Used (In order of appearance):
    C418 - Chirp
    Zack Nelson - Strange Things
    Odd Chap - Polaroid
    Bobby Cole - Trance Music for Racing Game
    Joel Cummins - The Joint is Jumpin
    Slynk - Road Trip
    RKVC - Burlesque Heartache
    Nico Staf - Brooklyn and the Bridge
    Cheel - Kurt
    josh pan - Calvin Harris
    C418 - Living Mice
    Anno Domini Beats - God Fury
    Drawn To Life Soundtrack - Wilfire's Wasteland
    Myuu - Final Boss
    Anno Domini Beats - Dark Tranquility
    Darren Curtis - Lurking Evil
    DJ Freedem - Cutting It Close
    Naps The Block - Tall (End Disc Concept)
    C418 - Equinox
    AfterInfinity - Try Again (Choir)
    Follow me on social media:
    Twitter: cordwit
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    StoryFire: storyfire.com/user/I06AfLmY3LUtcGv4pm6GXmApH2x2/video

    Time Codes:
    Introduction - 0:00
    “I Had a Dream” - 3:43
    Controversy - 8:43
    Speedrunning - 13:23
    Merchandise - 25:16
    Stan Culture (+ My personal experience) - 27:48
    Where do we go from here? - 42:19
    Other Resources:
    MFB-’s thread: www.reddit.com/r/statistics/comments/kiqosv/d_accused_minecraft_speedrunner_who_was_caught/ggse2er/?context=3
    Karl Jobst’s video: bgnick.info/wine/mWi3obmVh6rMs6Q/video.html
    Dream’s Response video [Archive]: bgnick.info/wine/ZoOWd516gpjKsGk/video.html
    Dream’s video on Stans: bgnick.info/wine/iXWlnJyJjcWpaYI/video.html
    Credits:
    ~ Written, Directed, Edited and Voiced by CordWit
    ~ Title Themes Produced by Odd Chap and AfterInfinity
    ~ Several Screenshots Kindly Provided by Michae1
    ~ Additional Research Conducted by John Swan
    ~ Moral Support Conducted by Tipster
    Additional thanks to Tipster, Nicholas DeOrio, WillyMacShow, Tommy C, The Right Opinion, Jadyn and Optimus for their support during the John Swan (& subsequent Death Threats) controversy.

CordWit
CordWit

Right I think it's important to clarify: In the controversy segment I cover several different issues that have actually been resolved in private. The reason I included them was not because I agree with what the opposition was saying, I was rather bringing them up as examples of conflicts he gets into Hope you lot understand that!

преди месец
New Apple
New Apple

Sir you cannot use some weird word to get not hated this is cool tho

преди ден
DoggoInACar
DoggoInACar

You got a link on the "Dream says something dodgy to Tommyinnit" video? i couldn't find it anywhere

преди 10 дни
Addalilspice
Addalilspice

Thank you for being an individual who researches and makes logical conclusions.

преди 12 дни
norical
norical

good

преди 12 дни
Jovani Mitchell
Jovani Mitchell

Your voice is satisfying to hear dont take that out of context

преди 12 дни
The Hidden Lens
The Hidden Lens

I don't condone the behaviour of some of his fans, but I'm afraid that Dream is the kind of person who is willing to cheat his way into the record books. If he isn't fond of how obsessive his fanbase has become, he shouldn't have been so obsessed with pretending that he's more important than he really is.

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J. S.
J. S.

I like how the video started but over time it just felt like you tried to gather points that make this guy look bad.

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Jtwizzel
Jtwizzel

Seriously? Never did I noticed he was jealous of dream lol. Don't be a toxic stan

преди 17 минути
J. S.
J. S.

From my perspective it looks like you envy him for the 15 mil subs in such a fast time and for that you try to pin point everything bad relating to dream onto him as a person. A creator is not even remotely responsible for what his viewer do or draw from the creator, even more so if the viewer is young and should be supervised by parents on their online behaviour. I think many arguments are very biast and only vaguely thoughthrough

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Zendo7 Studios
Zendo7 Studios

It seems like luck isn't a thing. Chance isn't a thing. Everything that happens was meant to happen. If you think about it, it's basically 1 out of infinite chance that you are who you are. Lmao

преди 2 часа
Zendo7 Studios
Zendo7 Studios

You're so underrated bro, I love the animations and the cinematic music lol

преди 2 часа
kirsty
kirsty

what a well made video - can’t believe you’re not at 100k yet

преди 2 часа
Sgt. Arch Dornan
Sgt. Arch Dornan

Oh hey Little Big Planet music

преди 5 часа
Vale C
Vale C

Honestly I think he started to grow when mr.beast started to talk about him in his videos and telling people to go subscribe that’s when I saw him start to grow

преди 5 часа
xa5tro
xa5tro

Good video mate, it’s not often that I watch a 45 minute video. your editing and story telling is insane!! Keep it up

преди 7 часа
Benny From Fallout New Vegas
Benny From Fallout New Vegas

You missed sooo much dude

преди 7 часа
Jesterman
Jesterman

Guess success became his Worst nightmare

преди 7 часа
Soft-And -Wet
Soft-And -Wet

bruhh

преди 2 часа
אראל ברנד
אראל ברנד

Amazing video, got a sub

преди 9 часа
Robbie Smith
Robbie Smith

what game is played at 27.22

преди 10 часа
Grayson Loar
Grayson Loar

Who ever says that dreams song is bad I’m sorry but I hate you

преди 10 часа
Slicent
Slicent

Everyone has their taste of music

преди 2 часа
Soft-And -Wet
Soft-And -Wet

dream song= Bad

преди 2 часа
hinka
hinka

dreams song is bad

преди 7 часа
CraigTheLej
CraigTheLej

LOL dream is trash

преди 8 часа
Strahinja djorović
Strahinja djorović

"Dream's dream became a nightmare"

преди 12 часа
WideIrenaKan1
WideIrenaKan1

hi

преди 13 часа
Auraphyne
Auraphyne

Youre so smart

преди 13 часа
Lemon Cake
Lemon Cake

With the whole segment where you said dream essentially encouraged the gore art, you did somewhat contradict yourself. You said "you cant find this type of stuff unless you seek it out" or something along those lines. So why would dream want to search up gore of himself? He probably doesnt know it exists. Also im not going "uwu dont buwwy my smol bean dweam" i completely understand where you come from, however, that was just something that really bugged me.

преди 14 часа
Lemon Cake
Lemon Cake

@Daniel Weeks i normally dont watch much commentary, atleast not as much as i used to

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Lemon Cake
Lemon Cake

@Daniel Weeks there has? idk i havent watched them, dont get mad at me

преди час
Soft-And -Wet
Soft-And -Wet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrj2Hq7xqQ8

преди 2 часа
Daniel Weeks
Daniel Weeks

He’s knows about it because there have been countless commentary videos made about it

преди 11 часа
Kyle L.
Kyle L.

This video is honestly so well put together. I usually can’t sit through long YouTube videos, but I watched this the whole way through.

преди 14 часа
Trevan
Trevan

Kinda reminds me of Kurt Cobain's story a bit, grew too big too fast and couldn't really handle it. Dream's heading down the same path imo

преди 17 часа
Phil Skrzeczynski
Phil Skrzeczynski

Dream failed middle school English?

преди 18 часа
Imjay Station
Imjay Station

It's called stuttering

преди 2 часа
Avillion Gaming
Avillion Gaming

honestly these stans have to stop. i kinda feel bad for dream.

преди 19 часа
Iya Ibanez
Iya Ibanez

Gowon at 28:14~~ very insightful video btw👍

преди 20 часа
melbclimber [GD]
melbclimber [GD]

The main issue is obsession. The people who legit made prn of tommy are disgusting. They act like they're their property or something

преди 21 час
andreas KDW
andreas KDW

I'm afraid of his Stans...

преди 22 часа
Cookie
Cookie

The stans treat them like property. Disgusting.

преди 22 часа
Cookie
Cookie

The dream stans to send death threats are the same people to be offended at nothing (like when people said Ksi punching Wilbur was homophobic) and to be offended by things that have nothing to do with that group. Change my mind.

преди 22 часа
Cookie
Cookie

At this point, Dream CANNOT share his face for HIS OWN SAFETY AND SECURITY. The shit people write, say, and worship about this guy and the possibility of them knowing his face genuinely terrifies me even though I don't like Dream's character and how he deals with his fame. Feels very egotistical to me.

преди 23 часа
Alice Williams
Alice Williams

some Dream stans are pretty much too extreme, but i do find that the fact that the Dream SMP fandom exists helps them. the SMP fandom is highkey much more calm, filled with theories and angst and less drama, while Dream's fanbase is much more intense. i really don't think his fanbase is the best, but the SMP fandom is balancing it.

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BungleGaming/Music
BungleGaming/Music

I read the title as “How Dreams Success Has Become His Own Retirement” and I was just thinking, “When did he retire?!?”

преди ден
Dylan Combel
Dylan Combel

Technically PopularMMOS is the most popular Minecraft youtuber of all time.

преди ден
Cj4777
Cj4777

well yeah he is but i wish he was...

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Stokey Junior
Stokey Junior

I think one of the main issues is that Dream isnt really mature enough to handle the controversies that come with his fame

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guramalicious
guramalicious

this is such a good video and so are the rest. im subscribed

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Ikari stylez
Ikari stylez

𝑯𝒐𝒑𝒆 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒎𝒂𝒛𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒅𝒂𝒚♥️ 𝑴𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎 𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒕 10𝑲 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑰 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒚'𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒑 𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒎𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎♥️🙏.

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Daniel
Daniel

@Ikari stylez if you’re not a bot it’s even worse, I really hope you don’t succeed

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Ikari stylez
Ikari stylez

@waka pekk 𝑯𝒐𝒑𝒆 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒎𝒂𝒛𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒅𝒂𝒚♥️ 𝑴𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎 𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒕 10𝑲 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑰 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒚'𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒑 𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒎𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎♥️🙏. and no im not a bot

преди 12 часа
waka pekk
waka pekk

Dont promote

преди 23 часа
Ikari stylez
Ikari stylez

@Bernardo KKKJ im a person who actually wants to be a youtuber

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Ikari stylez
Ikari stylez

@Bernardo KKKJ im not a bot

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failed to loadت
failed to loadت

After seeing his reply to Jawsh, the extremely small amount of respect I had for dream diminished

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Temitope.D. Oyedotun
Temitope.D. Oyedotun

You deserve 100k

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Cookie
Cookie

I don't think Dream is as great as he shows. In his videos, he is obviously scripting to make him look good. And the boat clutch was completely fake. The crafting menu was 17 frames instead of the usual 6.

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ipsa scientia potestas
ipsa scientia potestas

@Cookie what about server lag?

преди 14 часа
Cookie
Cookie

@oof mcoof yeah. I downloaded the clip and in both situations, unlimited fps and capped to what I can only assume is 144hz of dreams monitor, it is 6 frames when recorded at 60 fps. There aren't any programs that I am aware of don't even allow you to record at over 60 fps.

преди 23 часа
oof mcoof
oof mcoof

really?

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I bill
I bill

poor Dream

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Rice Bowl
Rice Bowl

Me: *Looks at dream’s YouTube video comments for stans Me: Can’t find any Me: *Checks Twitter Me: Ah I found them!... Now burn them :D

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silviu florian dumitrescu
silviu florian dumitrescu

He didn't post for a month and this is the last vid, hmmm, I think I'm up to something

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Devin The Gamer
Devin The Gamer

ᴵ'ᵐ ˢᵘᵇᵇᶦⁿᵍ ᵗᵒ ᵉᵛᵉʳʸᵒⁿᵉ ʷʰᵒ ˡᶦᵏᵉˢ ᵃⁿᵈ ˢᵘᵇˢᶜʳᶦᵇᵉ

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Devin The Gamer
Devin The Gamer

@EpsiCron ok ty

преди 2 часа
EpsiCron
EpsiCron

stop it. get some help.

преди 5 часа
waka pekk
waka pekk

Dont promote

преди 23 часа
Felix Den
Felix Den

the fact that people have so much time to spend creating thesis type analysis over a Minecraft speedrun is insane, great video though nicely debunked topic

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Sir Softi
Sir Softi

I believe that dream has not only changed many peoples lives and has potential hurt himself and them, but I also believe that he has been detrimental to the thing that gave him his success, Minecraft. The memories I have and most people probably have of Minecraft is building huge house and mining out caves and crafting new tools and thing like that, or on the media side watching other youtubers do crazy things like mod reviews or just a plain old survival world. But from mainly the rise of dream that form of Minecraft is slowly disappearing. While I’m still a teenager, many of my friends no longer play Minecraft for the fun aspect but almost more the competitive aspect, the closest thing I can compare it to is Fortnite. Fortnite started off as a fun game where you could sit down with your friends and play some games and not want to rip out your afterwards, but mainly because of streamers and new things be implicated, it quickly changed and you cannot say the same for it anymore. While it has not fully changed, it is hard to say it is still the game it was a few years ago. The new focus in Minecraft is PvP instead of the creativity you can have, Minecraft is a game that grew because of how open it was, but is slowly becoming a game that needs to be played with a code.

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Speedy
Speedy

Codwit = icecreamsandwitch

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PLDTWIFI B2CE3
PLDTWIFI B2CE3

Holy fuck...tge animation in this vid is freaking amazing af

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Anzetty
Anzetty

Jack

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New Apple
New Apple

Oh now i get a new channel i can hated on

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Jtwizzel
Jtwizzel

Lol don't hate it's not worth it

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Bernardo KKKJ
Bernardo KKKJ

you shouldn't exist

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failed to loadت
failed to loadت

Cringe

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oof mcoof
oof mcoof

no u

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Vector Perkins
Vector Perkins

one of the biggest reasons i don't watch him is because of his fans. the streamys were so annoying to watch because it was constantly being spammed with dream fans. i understand supporting him but he already won his award and they were STILL spamming. it's hella annoying

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MrMidas
MrMidas

This was so deep into all the information given and covered everything that could possibly be covered, and answer anyone’s questions. Good job

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BluBugg13
BluBugg13

Ngl the Dream fanbase is one of the reasons why i just dont watch Dream. Plus he never really got my attention...so i just never watched any of his vids.

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philza
philza

Tbh as a dream stan/just fan of the new gen of mcyts on the platform, if Dream ever does a face reveal and he (probably like 99% so) doesn’t look as ‘hot’ as he is in fanart his fans are going to fuckin leave and just lie and be like “ur so....pretty....” LMAO Most stans need to learn how to have healthy parasocial relationships, as much as I love watching Dream and his friends have fun, I understand that I don’t know them personally! Plenty of stans need to learn Dream isn’t ur ‘bestie’, he’s a Minecraft youtuber making money off of the platform for crying out loud.

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SpaceNinja116
SpaceNinja116

As a fan of Dream, I can’t say that all of his fans are toxic. We sure are annoying, but everyone on my Twitter timeline seems to be really nice and caring. It’s really embarrassing to see toxicity and gross fanart going around, but keep in mind that’s just a small part of his fan base. There’s so much more I want to say, being a fan of Dream is so stressful.

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Bookshelved
Bookshelved

What a great informative video!

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Erebus
Erebus

8:18 Timed it perfectly on viewer disinterest. I was about to click off. I mean I still am but still good timing.

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Ozzy Baba
Ozzy Baba

Dream Suffering from succes

преди 2 дни
Mister Spoken
Mister Spoken

I would like to mention, I mentioned how this group isnt mature for the audience that watches them... And this one person went into a entire rant about how I'm wrong and that they can act how they want to act, and that to them their perfect... Like darnn. Just my opinion, somewhat factual.... And I get that response?

преди 2 дни
Blazingboy77 Gaming
Blazingboy77 Gaming

"With a deditcated fanbase" Yeah far to dedicated, dream called out a fake speedrun on a block game, and his fans went and told a 14 or 15 yearold kid to kill himself over a blockgame speedrun. And dream has a huge ego and its stupid. Nowadays minecraft content is people riding off of the dream "minecraft but," train. And randoms get 1 million subs in a few months. Like that Paul gg guy. Dream has ruined minecraft content for a while.

преди 2 дни
20kStxckk Shorts
20kStxckk Shorts

if dream breathes to loudly he gets cancelled

преди 2 дни
The Germanic fanatic
The Germanic fanatic

I really shouldn't know like every youtuber in this video should I?

преди 2 дни
MinatoSky Takanashi
MinatoSky Takanashi

Honestly I don't like Dream's Fans because if you speak your own opinion about him boom cancelled and now as of yesterday his fans are now trying to make Dream an sexuality which is not fair to the LGBTQ community because it's a community that is supposed to be sharing what they like what they love and find people who like them as one whole of a person but making a MCYT a sexuality does not fit that role at all you can talk about them in the community no one would mind but making Dream a sexuality is honestly saying like they are trying to disrespect the sanctuary that the LGBTQ community has made for themselves just by adding Dream as a sexuality is just not right at all and not fair to the LGBTQ community that if they lose to these fans then mostly it is ruining a sanctuary that they built for who they are.

преди 2 дни
ShadowTheLight
ShadowTheLight

I am shocked I've only heard of Dream in this video after hearing he is really that popular

преди 2 дни
Cabs op
Cabs op

Really well made vid U earned a sub

преди 2 дни
Chuuya lover ASF
Chuuya lover ASF

I love dream, I enjoy his content daily. But I don’t ignore stuff like this or the toxic part of the fan base. Stan culture isn’t something I wanna get into and I usually stay within the positive part as long as I can and just watch the toxic from afar

преди 2 дни
Yannick Faerber
Yannick Faerber

Why you gotta do my boi Darkviper so dirty man

преди 2 дни
michaelw698
michaelw698

i am bored yay

преди 2 дни
Mr.Memetic
Mr.Memetic

Id delete my channel before i became a brand

преди 2 дни
Zachary Breeden
Zachary Breeden

tbh i'd just laugh if i woke up daily to see some new stan in my dms telling me to kms because i said "dream stans are toxic and dream isnt doing anything about it" because it would prove my point

преди 2 дни
M y a
M y a

this is why i don’t have twt i just hate the stupid "drama" and i just want content. even when i watch one of the smp members streams i just turn off chat because of how toxic it is. i would honestly say that the dream smp whole fandom is as toxic as the kpop fandom. i am a fan of dream and all his friends, hell i even have his and georgenotfound’s merch, but i choose to distance myself from just the whole fandom. of course i’m still going to support them, like grabbing their youtooz and hoodies, but would i consistently stalk their twt and living on their content, no. i mean i’m technically going to be an adult in the fall, but most of their stans are 12-14 and they basically all are going through their cringe fandom days that we all had when we were their age too.

преди 2 дни
Julesz
Julesz

People are SO dramatic lmao. They take a look from the outside of his fandom and think it’s crazy but most of it is a joke like guys chill out. 💀 Learn to take jokes. People cant let anybody enjoy anything. Ofc theres weird people that take it INSANELY far but thats such a minority. Honestly some people overreact and make it seem like its a HUGE problem. Also people need to stop blaming dream for the crazy stans in his fandom... he’s literally only a content creator you guys act like he has the power to control everybody. He’s human too. Also to that minority of his fandom that took jokes way too far, youre gross. Stop making people uncomfortable. And STOP putting him a pedestal you guys do more harm than good. And to the people that try to cancel him for no reason like guys please stop. Youre almost even worse than the obsessive stans themselves. You guys will take anything ANYTHING that he does and will try to cancel him. I understand trying to cancel someone for doing something absurd but you guys try to cancel him for everything but then get mad when his fandom defends him? Idk kinda weird. All of u are weird. Im leaving.

преди 2 дни
Julesz
Julesz

@meline I also was apart of it and revisit every few months and i can guarantee that most are jokes, they dont actually ship them together irl. (most people atleast). The people that actually ship them together are weird tumblr fanfic people. Most of the fandom is made up of people that just enjoy the content but ofc like always ppl always give the attention to the bad ppl instead of the good fans.

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meline
meline

i used to be a dream stan and the majority of his twitter fanbase obsesses over dnf and that one fanfiction of him with george... i dont know i just dont think shipping real people together is healthy

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The Gaming Tempest
The Gaming Tempest

i like the intro

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The Infinite Void
The Infinite Void

18:44 Nice.

преди 2 дни
FlappetyFlippers
FlappetyFlippers

I know that it's not relevant here but I would put hermitcraft as more successful: its sustained popularity and consistent high quality Minecraft gameplay and content make it a very high profile server. It has a good balance of storylines, interactions, technical projects, intricate and mega builds that make it well balanced and appealing to many, over a long period of time, it is sustainable and simplistic enough to understand without being boring to the average viewer.

преди 2 дни
Xiyea Official
Xiyea Official

I'm just gonna share my thoughts on this one, so I was subscribed to Dream in before he got famous, I specially remembered subscribing to him when he was at 680k subs, back then, I think there a Manhunts but it's only George, and They are uploading Different Challenges everytime like legit challenges that dream coded in, but now that he's famous, You can only see two types of content, Manhunts and Survivalist, which is good, but why did he removed those types of Contents before Manhunt? It's actually sad but Dream actually changed and he only uploads like once a month.

преди 2 дни
Bartas28
Bartas28

Dream got lazy

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grog
grog

god is dead and the dream stans turned his body into a chair

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N1GHTSTRIKER45
N1GHTSTRIKER45

dream's fans are the reason why instead of the *ICEOLOGER* WE GOT A SHINING GLOWING SQUID I mean who doesn't want to fight and kill this mob and having good loot also if you are a fan of game theory well the iceologer may expand minecraft's lore

преди 2 дни
メロンパンMelonbread
メロンパンMelonbread

Dreams content is chill, and he seems chill. But man, ngl most of his tweets are just shit takes

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timuriu
timuriu

yeah but that backflip tho

преди 2 дни
Phoenix Fryre
Phoenix Fryre

Dream exploded onto the scene, it's crazy how we except a man to have absolute control over his fanbase - that's inane, a man can only do so much.

преди 2 дни
meline
meline

its true his fans are completely unhinged but lets not lie he does encourage this behavior, like when he did that long ass tweet calling his stans "his kittens" and said he loved them during the speedrun controversy when the stans were literally sending death threats to the speedrun mods.. i like dream i watch his videos etc but clearly i dont think he's a victim or anything

преди ден
AnastasiaDalia
AnastasiaDalia

Dream is wrong in endorsing this, but to play devils advocate. There is a big part of the fanbase fighting stuff like MCYTNSFWTWT on their own FOR these creators and FOR dream because he isn’t taking clear action. But I’m 100% sure he has no idea what’s actually going on with the fanbase because most of these accounts block the original creators: the accounts drawing nsfw and gore have the mcyt blocked, and in order to fight this stuff you need to actively go looking for it There are brave Twitter warriors who compose entire threads dedicated to active mcytnsfw accounts especially those of minor creators: they are reported to the grave really fast after these threads appear Sadly some of them block prevalent creators who make these threads too.

преди 2 дни
Baja!
Baja!

these transitions are smooth as fuck

преди 2 дни
Sean Krkovich
Sean Krkovich

So, I'm just vibing on youtube and everyone's talking about Dream's awful stans in confusion before I realize it's on twitter. That explains it. Edit: autocorrect is garbage

преди 2 дни
ඞ

I guess I'm not a snowflake to say that the dream fandom is *toxic*

преди 3 дни
Diogo
Diogo

The Stan culture is almost ruining the music industry for me. I just want to listen to the music I like and be happy about it. But most people just want to fight and argue about who is the best and who is the worst singer and they have absolutely no limits to how far they go to defende their favorite artist

преди 3 дни
meline
meline

yall keep talking about "stan culture isnt what it used to be :( now people are toxic fans!" when the beatles literally existed and even before, fanatism always existed and wasnt only limited to music... i assure you, you can listen to music however you want but its your fault if you let 14yos on twitter tell you how you should feel

преди ден
Maggie Burkart
Maggie Burkart

That’s been around for a while, in different forms. My parents are in their 40s, and they said that in high school, people were super cliquish about the kind of music you listened to. Like I guess someone couldn’t be a punk fan and a Grateful Dead fan at the same time, you had to pick one social circle. Nowadays your whole personality doesn’t have to be tied to one genre of music, but you do have people who stan certain artists. Music has always been strangely competitive like that, since it’s art and people like to get mad about it or use it to express their individuality and/or membership within a group.

преди ден
Alleah Kim
Alleah Kim

this kinda reminds me of (most but not all) K-pop Stans✊🏻😞

преди 2 дни
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL

Dream: Genius (for being so talented in minecraft and adapting to YouTube algorithmm AND creating the manhunt series) Critics: Ignoring the fact that noone is perfect. They should ask themselves wheter they would have done it better. I seriously don't know the ultimate truth of every dream controversy but if I had been under such great pressure as dream I would have cheated in his position. Self-criticism brings you much further in life than just focusing on someone else's success and mistakes. Ask yourself wheter you'd like to be daily receiving hate comments, exposure videos and being held accountable for the actions of millions of strangers who do things in your name and you don't even know how to react. Being famous isn't a blessing, it's a curse most of the time. I just hope dream will realize this and allow himself to take some time off focusing on real life when he needs to. That's everything I wanted to say, may you all live in peace and harmony.

преди 3 дни
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL

@Florian D. Ok

преди ден
Bernardo KKKJ
Bernardo KKKJ

"cheating is fine" wow, this is 2021 apparently

преди ден
Florian D.
Florian D.

@DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL I would be opposed to my own success if it meant making content I hate making, I don't stand behind and, considering my target audience and my methods, isn't at all impressive. Being a YouTuber can be a job, primarily because you need some kind of income source to keep making the things you want full-time. It should never be the other way around. Having a discussion about artistic or creative integrity and monetary gain on YouTube seems to me a bit like the discussion around native advertisement in news media. You can make the argument that fame and money is a good thing, to you at least, but one should always ask themselves if what they are doing is ethical. In the case of Dream choosing not to disavow a rather large portion of his fanbase, who are predominantly minors, because they probably contributed quite a bit to his success is, in my eyes, definitely is not ethical. Because if your viewers are not old enough to fully understand the boundaries of parasocial relationships, to the point where they send other people abusive and threatening DMs in your name, you should at the very least address it.

преди ден
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL
DR.SKILLZ77 [MG] PL

@Florian D. Well you talk of the right way of doing things and rejecting fan cults, but would you have acted the way you say dream should have acted for certain (100%)? K. You seem like a reasonable person but you just mentioned that dream only did allow the formation of such a dedicated community in his own favor. Would you be opposed to your own success? Your other points seemed understandable but this one is controversial as you just explained why 99% of people who are sane would have done the same.

преди ден
Florian D.
Florian D.

1) Whataboutisms are not an argument. Actions are not relative, and are always to be evaluated on an individual basis. Just because many people are very flawed, doesn't mean that it gives him a free pass. 2) Maybe you would have cheated, maybe you wouldn't have, because what you don't seem to understand is that he put himself in this position. He never disavowed or condemned his fanbase that slowly developed into a cult, most likely not because he didn't see anything wrong with it, but because it was profitable for him, because that's what he literally built his career on. As he said, he studied the Youtube algorithm and Reddit, made clickbait and low-effort videos to get famous and was one of the first to realize the advantages of posting on the community tab. His fans started thinking of him as some sort of religious leader and he embraced it, that's why he he got the hate he got. If he had sat down and talked some sense into his community, I doubt people would be complaining about him being overrated by his fans, because there would have been video proof of him agreeing with that exact sentiment. Edit: I wouldn't exactly see his hunger for more fame and approval as something good. It speaks of a very low ego, but I guess fans will always try to twist character flaws into positives, no matter if it's Dream or Elon Musk.

преди 2 дни
Potatoe Rj
Potatoe Rj

Dream and his stans are so fucking annoying

преди 3 дни
Adel and JJ 1
Adel and JJ 1

@hawk797 ya that is bad but I don't really think he's a bad guy

преди ден
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failed to loadت

Preach

преди ден
hawk797
hawk797

@Adel and JJ 1 you act like its not that bad. hes encouraging (or atleast dismissing) death threats. like at 38:29 . just read it, now imagine that happening to you but 100 times over. thats the type of shit that would make you break down. stuff like this shouldnt be something anyone should encourage. if you think this is alright you need to get help, for your own sake. oh yeah he also tryed to cheat his way to a WR too but thats already been established by most people so i dont need to talk about that

преди ден
Adel and JJ 1
Adel and JJ 1

@Jeh7794 yes that is the only thing I can see really wrong with him

преди 2 дни
Jeh7794
Jeh7794

@Adel and JJ 1 literally encourages stans

преди 2 дни
evxn
evxn

Is it just me but like I’ve never heard of dream until he faked his speedrun or whatever

преди 3 дни
evxn
evxn

yeah tbh minecraft content for me died out in like 2015 but apparently it’s popular and watched again so... i feel like I’m 60 years old saying this lol ;-;

преди 18 часа
cubix
cubix

pretty sure some people also knew dream because of his speedrun cheating allegations

преди 2 дни
Adam Rickett
Adam Rickett

The way he handled the Stan stuff was awful

преди 3 дни
Armani Herrera
Armani Herrera

Dantdm: *swears on screen Tommyinit: I’m a bout to end this whole guys career

преди 3 дни
Massive Guy
Massive Guy

Tf does detriment mean

преди 3 дни
Snowyempress36
Snowyempress36

det·ri·ment /ˈdetrəmənt/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: detriment the state of being harmed or damaged. "he is engrossed in his work to the detriment of his married life" a cause of harm or damage. plural noun: detriments "such tests are a detriment to good education"

преди 2 дни
ЗДРАВЕЙ СВЯТ
ЗДРАВЕЙ СВЯТ

you must be very young if you are actually asking that question

преди 3 дни
bucket
bucket

awesome

преди 3 дни
ItsVeles
ItsVeles

Don't watch much of Dream but why should he care about what other people think of HIS fans? Why would he do anything to them if they're the ones who made him super successful? If I were in his spot I wouldn't give a shit about the opinions of people who didn't help me succeed either.

преди 3 дни
Elongated Muskrat
Elongated Muskrat

You are very much right, he owes everything to his fans, yet the people around him don’t deserve the toxicity his fans bring, and Dream essentially encouraging their behavior is just disgusting. It’s not about being successful anymore it’s about being a decent human being.

преди 3 дни
TheGrim Gripper
TheGrim Gripper

Its twitter breathing can make someone triggered

преди 3 дни
arby's Inquisitor
arby's Inquisitor

I like this cheeky bugga

преди 3 дни
Kaczy But
Kaczy But

Everyone is ending like this at longer go nothing new

преди 3 дни
Higgs Bonbon
Higgs Bonbon

edit: AAAAAAAAAAAA *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

преди 3 дни
jr_jordan_jr
jr_jordan_jr

This is such a well made video! Sucks that I saw it too late😓

преди 3 дни
softcubes
softcubes

i think one of the worst parts of the mcyttwt ordeal has been the way its affected completely unrealted communities. the way some of them claim their adhd is somehow responsible for their behaviour is giving a bad name to the online disability and neurodivergency advocacy movement, and i'm saying that as an autistic person who's been a part of that community for many years now. a hyperfixation does not somehow prevent you from using basic common sense and logical thought. you're acting like some 5 year old who doesn't understand the consequences of their actions, pinning that behaviour on your disability and calling it a day, despite the way we've been working for years to prevent the infantilization of people with these very disabilities. its gonna make me go insane. half the time the things theyre describing dont even fit the definition of a hyperfixation. its just straight up unhealthy obsessive behaviour, not the totally normal autistic/adhd experiences of special interests and hyperfixations.

преди 3 дни
meline
meline

same thing with the way some mcyt stans (especially tommy and tubbo stans) draw cp of them and blame it on "but im a victim ! this is vent art!" so bad that tommy had to speak up about it .. and it disgusts me man a 16yo dude should never have people drawing that kind of stuff of him

преди ден
softcubes
softcubes

also as a huge horror fan and horror artist oh my god most gore artists do NOT think its okay to draw gore of real people, let alone guro. i know a lot of our work is supposed to be visceral and challenging to the viewer but **not like that**

преди 3 дни
Yusha Bakker
Yusha Bakker

...uhm.. i've seen people cry because their fav sports team lost, how is that different from dream losing to Technoblade? love the visuals thou, good, clean, crisp

преди 3 дни
Coastal Beaches
Coastal Beaches

@Yusha Bakker tf

преди 2 дни
Yusha Bakker
Yusha Bakker

@Coastal Beaches look you don't need to talk about specifics, nor characterize or put stuff in a box to understand that these people see Minecraft as a sport. people don't wait until it's officially called that to start doing this stuff, I know you're smarter than that.

преди 2 дни
Coastal Beaches
Coastal Beaches

@Yusha Bakker Yes people are human. No I still do not understand why people cry over sports and I guess you could wrap minecraft into the ESports category (even though only speed running is). I don't think me or the other person in this thread is attacking or being toxic towards people who did cry over the duel, I am not sending hate to them mate (nor do I hate them). There is a thing called sportsmanship and should be respected by the viewers as well. So when your "team" loses the least you can do is not cry about it.

преди 2 дни
Yusha Bakker
Yusha Bakker

@Elongated Muskrat look i will tell you where the toxic part of any fandom comes from it's not what this video talked about It's always, ALWAYS, in my 14 years of experience, a small but dedicated group. that's it, they jump from fandom to fandom, get toxic, and then move on. all this analysis is completely useless, its looking at the surface and not the core problem. that it's always the same people

преди 2 дни
Yusha Bakker
Yusha Bakker

@Coastal Beaches sports is fun, doesn't mean you can't get emotional over it, we're human, learn this. please. it's a bit weird you don't understand this?

преди 2 дни
I love u
I love u

What a good video, here's a comment for the algorithm! It's the least I can do.

преди 3 дни
Da Zein
Da Zein

Like SEGA, Dream grow big to fast.

преди 3 дни

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